Curse

Crom The Pale · Nov 11, 2007, 02:12 PM // 14:12

Many people seam to forget there are two forms of GW.

PvP is there for your Skill>Time and the challenge.

PvE is there for fun, grind, repeatability, farming, RPG and just killing time/stuff.

Heroes improved PvE and took nothing away from PvP, infact it should have opened up more people to PvP since they now could complete some areas that were frustrating to do given the time needed and the difficulty of finding a pug with the right skills that knew what to do or was willing to try things your way.

Snow Bunny · Nov 11, 2007, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by Mineria

*pukes*
Did you know that Guild Wars is a game and not a job?

Wut, u didnt?

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I'm still wondering why all the experts here didn't pug together...

Me too. Somebody should make a thread in Riverside QQing about it.

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How hard can it actually be to find 1 player with 3 heroes, and then do it 2 players / 6 heroes?
I really can't believe that some GW players are so antisocial that they even can't manage that.

Most players I find run Healing Breeze in their builds. It's not that I'm anti-social, it's just that I don't enjoy putting up with mediocrity.

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About those generalizing pug players with words like "idiots"...
Where is you proof for that you are superior?

Well, I'll take myself down a level or two, and say I'm not superior, for your sake. However....

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Originally Posted by Mokone

Face it, Heroes are better than you

Vinraith · Nov 11, 2007, 04:29 PM // 16:29

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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service

heroes are the reason why the game is not dead

Someone should emblazon that in giant flaming letters at the top of the forum to remind the people that sincerely believe the social side of the game would be just hunky-dory if it weren't for heroes that they'd be playing the game completely alone without them.

Absent heroes I'd never have bought Nightfall, Factions, or EotN. What would have been the point, I couldn't even finish Prophecies with crappy henchmen (even when bringing a friend or two) and I certainly never PUGed.

Gun Pierson · Nov 12, 2007, 11:31 AM // 11:31

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Originally Posted by Pandora's box

What bothers me in discussions like this is that those who oppose a change never are able to tell why it would be a problem for themselves! All I hear is things like:

-you can finish the game with a hero/hench team already... So what??
-No reason to support farmers... I beg your pardon? Any idea how low droprates are in a 8 man/hench/hero party? Any idea how much it takes to control a party on you own? Farmers prefer to go solo!
-Players won't party up anymore with other players... They already play hero/hench, they wont party up anyway.

So where exactly does it hurt? Those who don't want a full hero party can choose not to use them. Those who would love it won't take any advantage over other players in the game. I really fail to see the problem.

Exactly, all the counter arguments are nothing more than empty sentences based on air. And there's a lot of air in the world and it's free.

Oh and btw Guildwars is named after an era in Tyrian history. Anet explained this a while ago. So it has nothing to do with PvP or pugging.

Thundro · Nov 12, 2007, 11:56 AM // 11:56

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Originally Posted by Pandora's box

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-Players won't party up anymore with other players... They already play hero/hench, they wont party up anyway.
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You're right, for this they should remove heroes all together to solve the problem. I myself wouldn't mind if they did.

But let's see the general picture here.

> Before NF

You travel to an outpost and see all kinds of people and a few groups.

> After NF

You travel to an outpost and see all kinds of groups and a few people.

That's the problem with heroes and why they prevent making party's, cause if you make a party you look for people and not groups.

pamelf · Nov 12, 2007, 12:25 PM // 12:25

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